tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8261814012053869943.post8357808476271607284..comments2023-10-09T03:39:02.388-06:00Comments on Expository Lutheran: Love never EndsBror Ericksonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06913133289813136695noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8261814012053869943.post-51300596196309909792008-07-25T11:00:00.000-06:002008-07-25T11:00:00.000-06:00nemo,maybe i could have been clearer in writing th...nemo,<BR/>maybe i could have been clearer in writing this which I did sometime a go. However, I don't think I am reading to much into this at all. And I have to say I was very careful in writing this not to say tongues will be superceded. They will cease. Here I was talking of the gift of Tongues. But i was also making comment when I said all tongues will be subsumed into one on the last day. Meaning the towere of Babel will once and for all be reversed on that day. There will be one language, tongue, in heaven. I could have been clearer in that.Bror Ericksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06913133289813136695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8261814012053869943.post-70589363044815010422008-07-23T14:46:00.000-06:002008-07-23T14:46:00.000-06:00The link didn't post in its entirety the first tim...The link didn't post in its entirety the first time.<BR/><BR/>http://www.lcms.org/graphics/assets/media/CTCR/charismatic_movement.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8261814012053869943.post-11162260603929419932008-07-23T14:45:00.000-06:002008-07-23T14:45:00.000-06:00Bror,Still not quite seeing it. I can accept that...Bror,<BR/><BR/>Still not quite seeing it. I can accept that Paul is speaking about tongues in a different way than prophecies and knowledge. You don’t need to reiterate that. But he is speaking about prophecies and knowledge in the same way, right? After that you lost me. Are you saying that tongues will cease (will be superseded) on the last day, or that they ceased (were superseded) sometime between the time when Paul wrote and now?<BR/><BR/>After explaining that on the last day prophecies and knowledge will be completed, and tongues will be superseded, you then turn and say that tongues have already been superseded. You then say that “we don’t need special revelation” and that “we have prophecies”. Are you arguing that the date at which prophecies will cease has also occurred between Paul’s writing and today, or am I completely missing you here? And if prophecies have already passed away, where does that leave knowledge?<BR/><BR/>This isn’t quite the impression I got regarding Lutheran theology from the LCMS website. Specifically, the report at http://www.lcms.org/graphics/assets/media/CTCR/charismatic_movement.pdf reads: “1 Cor. 13:8-10 should not be used to prove the opposite [that the gifts in question have ceased]. The apostle's statements that prophecies will pass away and tongues will cease are spoken in an eschatological context and do not prove that such gifts will end with the apostolic age. Moreover, his chief point in these verses is to stress the abiding character of love rather than the exact duration of extraordinary charismatic gifts….The church, therefore, will not reject out of hand the possibility that God may in His grace and wisdom endow some in Christendom with the same abilities and powers He gave His church in past centuries. It will take care lest it quench the Spirit by neither praying for nor expecting God's presence and power in building His church.”<BR/><BR/>(I know, the report also stresses that these passages should not be used to argue for the continuation of said gifts, so don’t jump all over me there. Rather than asserting that the gifts do continue, I am simply wondering if you are reading too much into this passage in concluding that they have ceased/been superseded/fulfilled/replaced.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8261814012053869943.post-59505424451760841782008-07-23T09:18:00.000-06:002008-07-23T09:18:00.000-06:00Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy...Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, <BR/>As it was in the beginning, is now, and will be forever. Amen.apollo819https://www.blogger.com/profile/05275423280298409351noreply@blogger.com