tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8261814012053869943.post7701800225194392069..comments2023-10-09T03:39:02.388-06:00Comments on Expository Lutheran: Introduction to PannenbergBror Ericksonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06913133289813136695noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8261814012053869943.post-37553267660063397972011-12-14T11:05:00.991-07:002011-12-14T11:05:00.991-07:00Yes there were a few things Spencer was not willin...Yes there were a few things Spencer was not willing to even discuss, not honestly, Women's ordination was one, the efficacy of the sacraments another.Bror Ericksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06913133289813136695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8261814012053869943.post-86560905617348131702011-12-14T06:43:42.104-07:002011-12-14T06:43:42.104-07:00Thanks, Pastor Erickson, for your response. It was...Thanks, Pastor Erickson, for your response. It was difficult at one time, perhaps because of the catechism of my youth, to understand how Calvin opened the doors to so much. Your answer summarizes it succinctly on the efficacy of the sacraments. Your comment on the late Michael Spencer and his view on Mark is interesting. He once said, if he would ever leave the "baptist" fold, that a type of Presyterian church might appeal to him (I believe he was a guest pastor at one). I asked him in his comments why a liberal one instead of a conservative one? He cited the ordination of women and other factors. So he had a certain bent in some ways. And yet, over time, he seemed to express a real appreciation for Luther and the Lutheran church. His site was never the same once his voice was gone. Anyway, thanks again for commenting on the Markan Priority. I look forward to any added comments on this in the future.<br /><br />-- DennisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8261814012053869943.post-8552186331195558742011-12-12T16:09:33.944-07:002011-12-12T16:09:33.944-07:00In relation to this you might enjoy a post I just ...In relation to this you might enjoy a post I just made about Rev. Henry Beecher, the "Most Famous Man in America." His father was the Puritan/Calvinist preacher Lyman Beecher, and his sister was Harriet Beecher Stowe of "Uncle Tom's Cabin." <br /><br />The swing from Calvinism to Liberalism seems to me also a reaction to the bleak and hopeless aspects of Calvinist doctrine.<br /><br />http://thoughts-brigitte.blogspot.com/2011/12/most-famous-man-in-america-2.htmlBrigittehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10259491144770243688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8261814012053869943.post-6704420701482122092011-12-11T08:26:00.475-07:002011-12-11T08:26:00.475-07:00Dennis,
I view Calvin as the Father of Liberalism....Dennis,<br />I view Calvin as the Father of Liberalism. Chiefly because in denying the miraculous nature of the sacraments, he opened the scripture to be criticized by human reason alone. But Markan Priority then serves the purposes of not only undermining the virgin birth, classical liberalism, but also undermining the efficacy of the sacraments. More on that later, but I was tipped off to it in Chemnitz, "on the Lord's Supper" and in a conversation I had with the late Michael Spencer of Imonk, who while arguing with him for the efficacy of the Lord's Supper, refused to accept one of my points based on the fact that he believed Mark to be the first gospel. I honestly can't remember the conversation in detail, I wish I could. Maybe I'll search the archives there soon, and dig it up.Bror Ericksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06913133289813136695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8261814012053869943.post-77069083162813004372011-12-10T05:45:40.097-07:002011-12-10T05:45:40.097-07:00I'm many years removed from my Dutch Calvinist...I'm many years removed from my Dutch Calvinist roots and was curious about the link between the Markan Priority and the Calvinist Camel. From some quick reading this Markan Priority gained momentum in the late 1800s. Did this arise out of the "liberalism" and "skepticism" toward Scripture from the so-called scholars at the time? Just curious, pardon my ignorance on the subject.<br /><br />You concluded one comment recently by noting that "I mean I find it hard to believe, but there are actually Lutherans out there that don’t drink beer, or wine, they are free in this regard." Unfortunately a recent elevated level of uric acid meant I had to be "free in this regard," just not voluntarily! Root beer at Oktoberfest is about as bad as grape juice at ... well, okay, not quite as sacrilegious!<br /><br />-- DennisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com